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You often hear Advantage Shooters talking about the various dice sets for controlled rolling. The flying V3's for example, or the Yo set with the sevens facing up and down table. What we often don't recognize, though, is that those two sets are exactly the same. The dice are oriented on the same axis. The shooter simply has different numbers facing 'up.' The Irish Setter shows photographs of his six favorite sets in the dice setting area. Well, the fact is these are the ONLY sets. That's right. There are exactly six different axial sets. Again, the only difference is which number the shooter chooses to have 'up' or 'facing down table.' For simplicity sake I have arranged the sets in the chart below showing the axial faces of the individual sets. Remember, the axial set refers to the numbers showing on the SIDES (left/right) of each individual die prior to the toss. The objective is to toss the dice 'on axis' - as if there were a steel rod driven through the two dice like an automobile axle. The dice tumble or roll forward without any excessive bouncing, pitch, yaw, etc. Granted, the toss is a challenge, but you only have to control one roll out of 43 to turn the odds in your favor. Let's look at the 34-34 set first - the left die will have the 3 on the left face and the 4 on the right face. The right die will have the 3 on the left face and the 4 on the right face. If you have a pair of dice get them out and orient them like this. For the sake of this example, let's put the hard ten facing up - the twelve facing your chest, the hard four facing down - and the aces facing toward the computer screen. This is a preferred set for the come out roll. Why? Look at the distribution of numbers it yields when rolled on axis. There are four ways to make the seven and two ways to make the eleven. Instead of 8 naturals out of 36 combinations on a random roll - you have 6 naturals out of 16 combinations. The math of this should be obvious, even to those handicapped by advanced degrees. Okay, let's assume you throw five naturals before establishing a point - which turns out to be a ten. What do you do next? You have your choice of two axial sets. The first is the 52-52, which provides you with two ways to hit the ten when rolled on axis. But look at the incidence of sevens in this combination. There are four ways to make the sevens with this set - when rolled on axis. So a better choice is to switch to the 34-16 set - which reduces the incidence of the seven to two ways. Suddenly, instead of having 2-1 odds against winning on the ten - it is an even money bet. Suddenly, you have a 2-1 ADVANTAGE over the house on the free odds bet on the ten. That, my friend, is what dice setting and controlled rolling is all about. COMBINATIONS PRODUCING THESE DICE TOTALS DICE SET 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 D I S T R I B U T I O N 34-34 (straight 6's) 1 2 1 0 2 4 2 0 1 2 1 52-52 (parallel 6's) 1 0 2 2 1 4 1 2 2 0 1 16-16 (PARR all 7's) 0 0 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 0 0 34-52 (crossed 6's) 1 1 1 2 2 2 2 2 1 1 1 34-16 (mini V) 0 1 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 1 0 52-16 (V 3's) 0 1 1 2 3 2 3 2 1 1 0

1. This set is terrific for hardways, place bets and 6s and 8s. Set this quickly by placing the ones and sixes on both horizontal axis. The 1364 Set: Both dice are set on the vertical axis for 1, 3, 6 and 4. This method eliminates the 5's and 2's on the horizontal axis so it is impossible to roll a 3 or 11.
2. Pair of handmade bronze or aluminum dice for craps, monopoly, backgammon and other games.

Introduction

One of the most frequently asked questions I get, and certainly the most frequent about craps, is whether dice setting is for real. Publicly until now I said I never saw enough evidence either way and had no position. Privately I was more skeptical. However in May 2004 Stanford Wong, whom I have enormous respect for, attended a 4-day seminar on dice setting and as a result reversed his position and gave what I think could be said is an endorsement. Shortly afterward I saw him at a social function and asked him about it. He obviously did believe that some people can influence the dice but that is was very difficult and something few have mastered.

Wong's comments inspired me to take dice setting more seriously. I had previously been in communication with Frank Scoblete and Larry Edell on the subject, suggesting that I be allowed to observe some top dice setters for myself. Both were agreeable but due to scheduling problems nothing ever came of it. Until recently I also lived within about one mile of dice coach Beau Parker so there was no good reason to keep avoiding the experiment. So after playing phone tag we finally met on July 22 with three other dice setters at the Bellagio.

Before starting Beau explained that dice setters are not able to control every single throw but only influence the dice towards certain numbers. At a 3-4-5x odds table the house edge is only 0.374% so it only takes a slight influence of the dice to overcome that house advantage. However a slight influence could take thousands of rolls to become obvious over the normal randomness of the game. So we both agreed one session was unlikely to prove anything.

As I emphasize on the topic of Internet casino cheating the proper way to make a case for a non-random game is to set up a hypothesis first, then gather data, and then statistically test the data for how well it fits the hypothesis. So I asked Beau what I should be testing for. He said on the come out roll that I should test for winning rolls of 7 and 11, and on all other rolls to test for rolling anything except a 7. Following are the specific results. Each come out roll begins a line.

Parker Experiment Results

Date	Casino	Shooter	Rolls
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Beau	7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Beau	2
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Beau	6,8,6
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Beau	8,7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Debbie	11
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Debbie	2
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Debbie	6,10,5,9,3,3,12,5,9,5,8,6
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Debbie	11
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Debbie	10,7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Pablo	7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Pablo	7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Pablo	5,7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Michael	10,7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Beau	4,7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Debbie	6,3,4,7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Pablo	9,2,4,6,8,4,2,10,5,8,5,5,11,8,6,2,8,7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Michael	11
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Michael	7
July 22, 2004	Bellagio	Michael	4,6,7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Beau	6,7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Debbie	8,11,6,6,9,4,10,6,6,7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Michael	6,6
July 22, 2004	Westin	Michael	5,4,5
July 22, 2004	Westin	Michael	4,5,12,4
July 22, 2004	Westin	Michael	9,7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Beau	7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Beau	7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Beau	9,6,5,8,9
July 22, 2004	Westin	Beau	6,11,4,3,7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Debbie	7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Debbie	5,6,3,11,6,6,5
July 22, 2004	Westin	Debbie	12
July 22, 2004	Westin	Debbie	11
July 22, 2004	Westin	Debbie	5,9,8,4,8,11,5
July 22, 2004	Westin	Debbie	7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Debbie	6,7
July 22, 2004	Westin	Michael	10,7

The next table summarizes the results. The sample size is too small to perform any robust tests. However just an eyeball test shows the results are thus far close to expectations in a random game. So clearly more testing needs to be done, and is planned for.

Parker Experiment Summary

Event	Number
Come out rolls	37
Come out wins (7 or 11)	11
Expected come out wins (7 or 11)	8.22
Non-come out rolls	79
Non-come out win (non-7)	65
Expected non-come out win (non-7)	65.83

For more information on dice setting or professional lessons please visit Beau Parker'sdicecoach.com.

Stanford Wong Experiment

In August 2004 debate was raging at Stanford Wong's site bj21.com about dice setting. The discussion could be found under the member's only Green Chip section on craps. A professional gambler there challenged Wong to a bet. The terms of the bet were whether precision shooters could roll fewer than 79.5 sevens in 500 rolls of the dice. The expected number in a random game would be 83.33. The probability of rolling 79 or fewer sevens in 500 random rolls is 32.66%.

I was asked to be a monitor for the event, but was out of the country at the time. However I did make an $1800 bet on the over with a well known gambling writer. The dates and locations of the event were kept very quiet, and were not being made available to the public. The shooters were Wong himself and someone known only as 'Little Joe.' According to Wong, the experiment went well and not one roll was called dead nor disputed by the two sides of the bet present at the event. The following table shows the results by shooter.

Wong Experiment Results

Shooter	Total Rolls	Total Sevens	Percent Sevens
Wong	278	45	16.19%
Little Joe	222	29	13.06%
Total	500	74	14.80%

Congratulations to Wong on winning with five sevens to spare. The probability of rolling 74 or fewer sevens in 500 random rolls is 14.41%.

Internal Links

• How the house edge for each bet is derived, in brief.
• The house edge of all the major bets on both a per-bet made and per-roll basis
• Dice Control Experiments. The results of two experiments on skillful dice throwing.
• Dice Control Advantage. The player advantage, assuming he can influence the dice.
• Craps variants. Alternative rules and bets such as the Fire Bet, Crapless Craps, and Card Craps.
• California craps. How craps is played in California using playing cards.
• Play Craps. Craps game using cards at the Viejas casino in San Diego.
• Number of Rolls Table. Probability of a shooter lasting 1 to 200 rolls before a seven-out.
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Written by: Michael Shackleford